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Use of Computer Packages
... for Genealogy and Family History

Web site creation

Comments of BerksFHS members

 

These contents of this page were put together by Eddie Spackman based on information received on the BerksFHS Email Discussion Group in 2000. Although things have moved on since then many of the comments are still valide.
Please if you have any comments or additions you would like to see included.

Web page composing

  Package used and comments
Ann & Andy Andrews
Word is quite effective and "save as" HTML.

Also uses FrontPage Express
"This is more powerful but has been criticised because it tends to take over ones work (a criticism of many Microsoft products) and adds a great deal of redundant HTML.  This can make code very heavy (ie files unnecessarily large) and more difficult to debug.
"My understanding is that Express also writes a certain amount of 'invisible' subcode which the average user is not intended to get at. Most of the time it does what it should and causes no problems but when it does go wrong it can cause a major problem. 
"On one occasion I deleted a line of HTML (plus its sub-code presumably) and this caused it to delete around 400 lines of content AND it deleted the last backup on the hard drive.  Since this happened we have come across a couple of HTML experts (which we are not) who have had the same problem.
I understand the latest version of Express does not suffer from this problem.

"I hear very good things about Dreamweaver but it is certainly not a product for the beginner.

"It is possible to get a basic web page together just using Word and it will look pretty good but life gets very much easier if you have even the slightest knowledge of HTML."

Sarah Brewer Compose a basic webpage using Netscape Gold (online) - took about twenty minutes. I am now altering/adding to it off-line at my leisure.

Also created a page using FTM's own system, but am not happy with it as FTM only allows the user to make alterations on-line.

Valerie Bushell
Use WORD document and save as HTML.
Keith Buckingham:
WordPerfect - it can save as HTML
David Childs Has used Notepad as it seemed to be the easiest way to achieve what I wanted (none of the web authoring packages I had seen supported frames at that time).

Has tried Star Office and saved as HTML code. 
Star Office has its oddities, but it is reasonably straightforward and is a good deal easier than using Notepad to update the site, even if I occasionally have to manually adjust the code.  

I have FrontPage Express and Web Publishing Wizard on my computer, but haven't found them sufficiently attractive to want to spend the time needed to discover how they work.

I have used GED2HTML which turns GEDCOM files into indexed web pages.

Kate Crennell
Uses text editor !SrcEdit to write the HTML (but then she has been a Webmaster since 1995)

Experience of word processors which write out HTML is that the HTML is verbose and not particularly good. I try to make fast loading pages which should be visible with any old browser, even text only ones.

Keith Ebsworth
Uses Word97 if including tables, etc and save as a dos text file with htm suffix.  

Otherwise I use web browser and notepad so that I can switch between the text for editing and the webpage to see the result.  

I have also used software package Arachnophilia (Freeware) with good results.

Brian Edwards
Kith & Kin for family history (it has the facility to produce web pages). However, I didn't like them (one page per family) as it was rather cumbersome, but used the html info to produce my own design.

Have used both Word and Front Page Express, the later coming free with the software on my computer.

Both have advantages and disadvantages.
Word 97 has trouble with some HTML commands - perhaps Word 2000 is better as I understand it is more web orientated.
Front Page Express is generally OK, handling tables better than Word, although it is necessary to use html commands to set their size.

Unless you are doing something complicated, both can produce an acceptable web page.

MS Publisher also claims to produce web pages - however these are produced as gigantic gif files (ie pictures of the pages) and should be avoided.

Nettie Edwards Has evaluated a few programs:

Claris Homepage is very easy to learn and use (available for Mac and PC) think this would be great for beginners .Quite intuitive.Like it a lot. Would put this top of the list for home use.

Page Mill a little fiddlier.

Go LIVe! fantastic Mac-based program but probably too big  for gen purposes.Very intuitive , drag and drop

Dreamweaver.- meant to be very good - good clean code - I have it but find that as a Mac user, it has a slightly PC way of doing things and does not really suit me. It's a big program to learn and I would consider Claris Homepage better for folk who want to do gen. pages.

Adobe Image Styler is first and formost a package to create web graphics but whole pages can be created and uploaded with it. Wonderful program - easy to learn, use, cannot reccomend it enough - like "FIREWORKS" for beginners but it's simplicity belies it's power.

Terry Gregory Reunion 6
Tony Insell
"My Grandson Does It."
Richard Lloyd
Main site created using Front Page 98. The small amount of genealogy is created using GED2HTML in its most
simplistic mode; needs work to make it much more meaningful and user friendly.
Donald Massey
Used Splash, but have found it far from perfect.  E.g. to edit, it produces a panel of different size from the final page, meaning a lot of trial and error:  strangely enough, the older version did not do this! 

I have just loaded Netscape so intend to give it a try: So far, producing three pages has gone reasonably well

David Picken A quick experiment shows that simple ancestor trees and decendent trees port directly from FTM vers 7 into FrontPage 2000 with no special handling. Full decendent trees do not, but I have not had the time to work out why.   One can run up a cheap and cheerful web page with little effort. It would I think be very easy to extend this in all directions - one obviously has to draw the line somewhere so as not to cram too much information on one page - but that would mean building a proper web site by embedding links and I have not had the time to go into that.
Ernest Sollis Microsoft Publisher and save as HTML.

My son uses Front Page Express.

Eddie Spackman
Uses FrontPage Express 2 (e.g. to produce this page) which does all he wants at present.

Has looked at a demo of Dreamweaver but did not instinctively like the screen presentation and the 'learning curve' was clearly too great to attempt at the time.

Has created Web Pages using the facility in PAF

See for example:
www.dandylion.dsl.pipex.com/EddieGenealogy/spackman1669/

Eddie Webb Writes in HTML in a program called Arachnophilia.

This is very fast, quite comprehensive and is absolutely free. The program includes such things as frames, font management, pictures, other graphics, forms, etc.. Each of the html commands can be colour-coded. This makes it very easy to put your beginning and ending commands in the correct place within the program and, of course note any missing end commands.   Set to operate to v3.2 of HTML but v4.0 commands should work

A W Young Uses a combination of a semi-WYSIWYG editor (HotMetal) and writing HTML by hand in Notepad.

Web-site uploading

Ann & Andy Andrews
Upload using an FTP method called Terrapin that comes as part of our ISP deal from Pipex  
Sarah Brewer Expects to use Web Publishing Wizard.
Netscape seems to have step-by-step instructions, so even a technophobe like me could probably cope!
Keith Buckingham:
AOL FTP.
Valerie Bushell
ws_ftp
David Childs FTP Explorer (free for non-commercial home use)
Kate Crennell
Uses browser called Fresco, which runs under a communications package Voyager with runs on RISCOS computers. There is a smart package which can check the contents of a local set of web pages & can compress the changed ones into a single file to upload to the remote server. (This may be what is called a wizard on a PC)
Keith Ebsworth
xferpro
Brian Edwards
WS_FTPLE

This is free and was downloaded from a site suggested by Virgin. It is simple to use: a log-in form, followed by a file display, rather similar to the filer in Windows 3.1 (I suspect similar to CuteFTP - Eddie)

Nettie Edwards Has experience of using FETCH
Terry Gregory Expects to use Fetch (with help of son).
Richard Lloyd
WSFTP - excellent tool for this.
Ernest Sollis CuteFTP
Eddie Spackman
Has used CuteFTP

Has used Web Publishing Wizard but finds it difficult to use.

Curently used WS_FTPLE

A W Young A graphical FTP client.

Suggested books

Ann & Andy Andrews
It is actually very easy to create web pages and a book like "HTML for Dummies" is very hard to beat as a starting point.  It covers virtually everything an amateur will ever need to know.
Tony Insell
"Creating Web Pages Simplified"

prepared by Eddie Spackman

Written 27th Feb 2000 amended 22nd June 2005